Official TGPR PDX 5-9-09 Thread

[BrandonDixon]

I'm not particularly interested in running with fendered cars either, unless there was a *lot* of separation. On the other hand, I don't need that much track time for it to be a useful day for me.

[zukitek]

Sorry Brandon ,we just cant do it man.SCCA national is pretty clear on this .Level 1 TT/PDX = no WNT

RR

[BoostedFD]

^there you go.

[chuck schultz]

This is an example of something I've talked to other folks about, too. It'd be nice if we could consolidate a Level 1 and a Level 3 event at the same venue on the same date(s) with the same sanction, paying the appropriate per-car rate for insurance, etc.

Actually, I really support the idea of any events in the Club Racing arena (which includes all of the TT levels) being able to use one sanction per weekend, as needed, to meet the needs and wishes of the membership.

Requiring separate sanctions only discourages creative use of track time available.

Interestingly, Club Trials rules (Level 2 events) allow open wheelers and sports racers.

[CPannell]

I agree with Chuck. With the new format we used at TGPR TT we could run TT groups with experienced PDX drivers ASSuming the insurance isn't the issue. For novice PDX drivers we could run a novice group with the TT student group.

I Like how that "space agency" puts on multiple events on a race weekend. I think we could really one up them by not trying to run a club race at the same time. On a TT weekend most people run their tires off or get tired early sunday afternoon. I think we could afford an extra run group to accommodate the higher number of entrants. It's also a more efficient use of our corner workers. I would think a PDX would have a much harder time attracting corner workers.

and I have to go back to work

[farrout]

I agree I want to get our DSR on the track before I do an actual event but it being what it is, is going to be difficult to do. It might get some AutoX runs.

That is the thing that SUX about PDX. Open Wheels and Sports racers are not allowed.

Bring your DSR up to Nashville on May 16-17. I will be there with the AMAC. Can help you out.

[JohnW8]

Interestingly, Club Trials rules (Level 2 events) allow open wheelers and sports racers.

We need to put on a Level 2 Club Trials at some point. It's a logical crossover point to Time Trials and then Road Racing. And it would provide some track time for our winged and fenderless friends.

[BoostedFD]

That is the thing that SUX about PDX. Open Wheels and Sports racers are not allowed.

Bring your DSR up to Nashville on May 16-17. I will be there with the AMAC. Can help you out.

I would but I don't think it will be ready. Anything else going on mid June'ish or later up that way?

[BoostedFD]

That is a huge advantage NASA has over SCCA, they take basically the whole realm from first time track goers to racers and put them together on the same track on the same weekend which gives them many advantages, like getting letting the HPDE guys mingle with the racers and actually get some pointers and stuff from them about how to get into W2W racing. The big disadvantage is the track time is usually less than other groups.

[chuck schultz]

Looking here http://cms.scca.com/documents/Club%2...on-Fill-In.pdf it appears that sanction fees are halved for a PDX if you combine it with another Club Racing event, such as Club Trials or Track Trials. Club Trials insurance http://cms.scca.com/documents/insura...Rate_sheet.pdf is $2 more per car than PDX insurance, the same as Track Trials. The one big thing that could bite us is the minimum car count for each sanction - 25 for PDX and 35 for Club Trials. It seems to me that if you run a combined event, they should just go by the higher number, and not add them together.

It looks like sanction and insurance would be a minimum of around $1000 for a combined Level 1 and 2 event, or about twice what a single Track Trial costs.

[chuck schultz]

But wait, there's more - "If running 2 different types of events (Ex. Club Regional with Track Trials), you are charged only for the event with the higher rate but all cars
must be counted OR you may request to pay for each event separately. NOTE: Above rates are for up to 3 consecutive days of competition."

Either I missed this before, or they've changed the policy on this. Very good!

[BoostedFD]

Good find!!

[farrout]

I would but I don't think it will be ready. Anything else going on mid June'ish or later up that way?

If you can be ready for a PDX on May 9th, then I think you could be ready for a TT a week later. What are the issues. Drop me a line at my home email if you want some help figuring it out.

[farrout]

That is a huge advantage NASA has over SCCA, they take basically the whole realm from first time track goers to racers and put them together on the same track on the same weekend which gives them many advantages, like getting letting the HPDE guys mingle with the racers and actually get some pointers and stuff from them about how to get into W2W racing. The big disadvantage is the track time is usually less than other groups.

Actually, NASA does not allow open wheeled cars. They do put the Sports Racers ( in with the large Ground pounders which not everyone wants to run with.

[BoostedFD]

It's not going to be ready for the PDX, the FD is going to the PDX, and probably nasa later in the month. We are waiting on a fuel cell because the orginal was bad but besides that I think mostly wiring and plumbing is all that's left.

That is true NASA doesn't allow open wheeled cars. I also don't agree with puting Sports racers out there with normal cars, but I'll probably be doing some events just to get everything worked out more than anything. Hopefully 1-2 is all it will take. And believe me I'll keep my distance until speed racer decides to come up and ride my tail.