Stf + stc = st???

[Cholewa]

They really just need to do it rally style: ST FRONT, ST REAR, ST ALL.


Or they could just stop adding more classes when people get beat at nationals.

[JohnW8]

or leave it alone and let God's Chariot slowly fade away and be replaced by the next greatest, bestest car ever.

[rodhx]

Actually this whole debate has nothing to do with the classes or the number of them. It is sparked by trying to accommodate vehicles in incorrect classes. And not just the Cube, so please don't feel like I'm calling out Musclewrench in that comment. This is the Pandora's box that opens whenever you start bending the classes for whatever reason.

The Cube is actually easy. If it wasn't for the braces it would be STC UNLESS it cannot pass rollover regs. With the braces it goes wherever it was decided in that other thread. If a Kia Soul shows up it is HS (I'm guessing) or STC (not a guess) unless it does not meet rollover regs. If a Fiat 500 or Chevy Sonic shows up they have to be told they cannot run unless the car gets classified nationally. There are others but these are the examples that have been thrown around in this thread.

WE are making this hard. Not the classes...not the rules.

[Erv]

The st reorganization was because people complained about getting beat by 22yo civics.

[e30Racer]

RE the CUBE: Just getting measurements from intertoobs with stock everything the Cube would not be eligible due to its rollover risk. The Cube we had with us last weekend was quite a bit lowered. We really ought to measure it just to be sure.

Vehicles with a SSF less than 1.30 should not be permitted to compete
in our Solo® events due to their higher risk of roll over.
As an alternative to SSF, the U.S. Department of Transportation
Rollover Rating may be considered as a criterion for acceptability. A
model with a rollover rating of 14% or less is considered acceptable.

The following are examples of
vehicles excluded from Stock for reasons of stability, per 3.1:
Scion xB (2004-06)


According to the Nissan Website
a Stock CUBE: has a track/height SSF ratio of = .89
Height: 65.0
Track f/r: 58.1 / 58.3

Compared to the excluded Scion xB
A stock Scion xB: has a track/height SSF ratio of = .94
Height: 63.4
Track f/r: 60/59.8

So from this the CUBE has a higher rollover potential than a Scion xB which has been excluded from classing.

We need to measure Musclewrenches car since he is talking about putting more grip on
the car to compete with Ervin.

John W8, your calculations aren't quite accurate.

SSF is a mathmatical formula which = avg track width / (2 x Center of Gravity Height)

I believe W8 divided the track width by the total height (58.2/65=.89)

As its been stated before, the cube is based off of the Nissan Versa, its specs are below


Nissan Versa (1.30 SSF and 14% Roll over Risk)
Height : 60.4
Track Avg: 58.4

If we look at the Nissan Cube...

Nissan Cube
Height: 65.0
Track Avg: 58.2

...it has a slightly smaller track width and a 5 in height deficit. Of course, this only gives us an "idea" of the SSF or RoR. We would actually need the CoG height to accurately determine the SSF. I have looked for it but haven't been able to find it. If the track width was able to be increased and the car low enough, it might just squeak in. But the cube only has a ground clearance of 6 in to work with. So its not looking promising.

Sorry MuscleWrench!!!

[engled]

Unfortunately the answer to "will the Cube ever be allowed to race in SCCA Solo events" is NO!!! Using the track info from above, the Cube would need to be lowered to a height of 44 inches. Meaning that it would have to have a suspension drop of 21 inches. Of course, that is assuming that the track width is not changing. But there's no way to adjust the track width enough to make any difference in offsetting the 21 inch drop.

Sorry Musclewrench!!!

Math is a terrible mistress...

[Cholewa]

Time to get some 13x18's and poke em out.

[JohnW8]

I calculated based on the number I had and I didn't know the formula and finally
I'm horrible at math.


Why do you think I became an graphic artist?

[Cholewa]

Because english.

[JohnW8]

Because english.

Elitist snob.

[e30Racer]

Here's a link on how to calculate the CoG. Have fun!!!

http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=22

[musclewrench]

I guess this should be bumped back in to the original "classify my car" thread; but, I think I'll bring a tape measure and meet the safety stewards on March 17 when the gate opens. This way they can officially eliminate the cube for rollover concerns. Who do I need to ask for?

[chuck schultz]

"This chart is for Stock, Street Touring, and Street Prepared categories vehicles."

Does this mean that Modified category vehicles are exempt from the rule (loophole?) or that other methods must be used to determine compliance?

[JohnW8]

"This chart is for Stock, Street Touring, and Street Prepared categories vehicles."

Does this mean that Modified category vehicles are exempt from the rule (loophole?) or that other methods must be used to determine compliance?

The way the Rulebook reads the cube could be classed as SM or SMF. It's certainly not excluded.

[Erv]

Ervin if I ever get tires I'm planning on running STF with you. As long as you don't mind 2nd place anyway.

Not that I would have to worry about 2nd place, but, you can't run with me son, you be in STC.