Stf + stc = st???

[engled]

Except we're making these as actual classes, not a pax on top of a mother class.

You won't run raw-hs, you'll run raw.

That would actually be "FEWER CLASSES" ... please.

So we would be getting rid of some of the standard SCCA classes?

[e30Racer]

John and I have discussed this topic. Ervin, we understand your point and its never fun to run in a class that has no one else, or only one other person. We are going to take this request into account, but we are not going to collapse the new classes just yet. STF and STC are brand new classes for this year, and we are not going to jump the gun and make assumptions on participation just off of one event. Much less, that event being a test'n'tune. If you want more competition, then run in a different class. If you want more competition that are running on 140+ treadwear, then run in the Tire Class. Or you could run in the Pro Class. Ask your fellow competitors to do the same. Or you could just wait and see over the next few events how many new people show up and what class they are running in.

[kilgojr]

So we would be getting rid of some of the standard SCCA classes?

Negative, by SCCA law we can't do that.

[engled]

Negative, by SCCA law we can't do that.

That's what I thought, so there would more not less classes. Please?

[Cholewa]

Negative, by SCCA law we can't do that.

Right, we would just be offering an alternative to under populated classes to run against a wider array of vehicles and drivers.


It would be a sort of catch all class for those who don't care about points or competing nationally, but just want to come out and run their cars against other people and their friends.
It also takes the guess work out of classing cars - if you just want to run - run in this class, doesn't matter what you've done, just run.


I think it kind of goes against what the club is (as being dedicated to it's membership) but it wouldn't hurt bringing new people into the sport and making the experience less confusing for all parties involved. As a registration worker, I would much rather say "ok well you'll be in class R" than say "so what have you done to your car" and get the typical response of "well, some bolt ons, nothing crazy, you know"... Because actually, no, I don't know, and depending on exactly what you did, you could be in 20 different classes (that I don't know anything about).


It would just make it easier for those who wanted to come out and drive, instead of those who want to come out and compete against duplicates of their car.

[nicktcr]

As a registration worker ... "ok well you'll be in class R" ... Because actually, no, I don't know, ... It would just make it easier for those who wanted to come out and drive, instead of those who want to come out and compete against duplicates of their car.

This sounds really nice actually. See, I enjoy autocross as a way to come get seat time in my car and hang out with awesome car people and all that business, but my car is not competitive, and I don't really care all that much about actually building it to a class (which is the only way to win), and this really appeals to me.

I say, let's make a local class that is just simply "Raw" (designated with the class letter R), and it have no pax modifier, and is simply a class for those who wish to compare they're times, straight up to someone else. I know that I'm going to be beaten, but I'd like to just straight up compare, without fancy classes and all that other business. Modifications don't matter, and for the first timers that are just coming out to try it, can race in "Novice Raw" so it's still in the Novice pax, but their mods don't really matter. Then, if they want to build to a class they can (after they've had a chance to look at the rule book and see where their car falls) and then race locally with people in similar cars.

I think a solution such as this simplifies things and keeps things laid back and casual for those who simply wish to drive their cars, and keeps the classes clean for those who wish to compete for points.

Raw class is unlimited, and points don't matter. If you want to race for points and a championship, figure out where you car falls, and race in that class.

/my $0.02

[engled]

Raw class is unlimited, and points don't matter. If you want to race for points and a championship, figure out where you car falls, and race in that class.

/my $0.02

Now this is a good idea and pretty simple to do. At the end of the day look at the top three RAW times and you have your winners. JohnW8, Lyle, etc...

[JohnW8]

Now this is a good idea and pretty simple to do. At the end of the day look at the top three RAW times and you have your winners. JohnW8, Lyle, etc...

If you're not there to compete with some one what exactly did you "win"?

Let's have a "just ridin' along chewing up tires for the helluvit class"

That has win all over it.

[jerrysmith]

New guy.. I was in stf (yellow protege5) This affects me but I'm here just for fun so if I get reclassed I'm ok with it.

[kilgojr]

Just an observation. But if there are three people in STF, why do we need to combine classes? We haven't even had the first event and we have two new people in STF.

[e30Racer]

This sounds really nice actually. See, I enjoy autocross as a way to come get seat time in my car and hang out with awesome car people and all that business, but my car is not competitive, and I don't really care all that much about actually building it to a class (which is the only way to win), and this really appeals to me.

I say, let's make a local class that is just simply "Raw" (designated with the class letter R), and it have no pax modifier, and is simply a class for those who wish to compare they're times, straight up to someone else. I know that I'm going to be beaten, but I'd like to just straight up compare, without fancy classes and all that other business. Modifications don't matter, and for the first timers that are just coming out to try it, can race in "Novice Raw" so it's still in the Novice pax, but their mods don't really matter. Then, if they want to build to a class they can (after they've had a chance to look at the rule book and see where their car falls) and then race locally with people in similar cars.

I think a solution such as this simplifies things and keeps things laid back and casual for those who simply wish to drive their cars, and keeps the classes clean for those who wish to compete for points.

Raw class is unlimited, and points don't matter. If you want to race for points and a championship, figure out where you car falls, and race in that class.

/my $0.02

Now this is a good idea and pretty simple to do. At the end of the day look at the top three RAW times and you have your winners. JohnW8, Lyle, etc...

I understand that plenty of people here could care less about winning anything, and really just want to come out and autox to enjoy their cars and their friends. I can see that people would like to have a "raw" class, but we pretty much already have one. Its called XP. There's no reason that if someone shows up with a car and they say, I just want to run in whatever, we can't put them in XP. XP is pretty much a catch all for any cars that do show up. With using XP, we aren't adding yet another class, and when people show up with "mods and you know, the usual" we can say, ok, you'll be running in a class with Drift Panda and his 240sx, and Cholewa with his turbo volvo, etc.

Just an observation. But if there are three people in STF, why do we need to combine classes? We haven't even had the first event and we have two new people in STF.

+1

[TouringBubble]

I'm a little late to the party, but ...

The reason that ST cars are not allowed to run T PAX class is because their PAX is calculated for street tires already. ST cars would have a notable advantage running in a T PAX class because of this as S, ST, SM, etc are essentially penalized for being able to run R comps when using PAX calculations.

I'm all for having a single class for STC/F rather than splitting them out. Or, locally, the STC cars could just run in STF like MuscleWrench is doing. Move Jerimiah over there and no biggie ... you have a bigger class and no new classes for confusion.

If people want a heads up class, it's been mentioned to run XP ... or, feel free to run AM (no AM cars here in the last 4 years) as the PAX is 1.000, so no handicap. There is also the Pro (X) PAX class which all classes are allowed to run in, including ST cars.

[Cholewa]

I personally want to do something just to make registration and labeling easier for new people. Although surprisingly, a fair amount of new people actually knew what class their car was in at the TnT.

[TouringBubble]

Yeah, that helped a little.

[claym]

This sounds really nice actually. See, I enjoy autocross as a way to come get seat time in my car and hang out with awesome car people and all that business, but my car is not competitive, and I don't really care all that much about actually building it to a class (which is the only way to win), and this really appeals to me.

I say, let's make a local class that is just simply "Raw" (designated with the class letter R), and it have no pax modifier, and is simply a class for those who wish to compare they're times, straight up to someone else. I know that I'm going to be beaten, but I'd like to just straight up compare, without fancy classes and all that other business. Modifications don't matter, and for the first timers that are just coming out to try it, can race in "Novice Raw" so it's still in the Novice pax, but their mods don't really matter. Then, if they want to build to a class they can (after they've had a chance to look at the rule book and see where their car falls) and then race locally with people in similar cars.

I think a solution such as this simplifies things and keeps things laid back and casual for those who simply wish to drive their cars, and keeps the classes clean for those who wish to compete for points.

Raw class is unlimited, and points don't matter. If you want to race for points and a championship, figure out where you car falls, and race in that class.

/my $0.02

I thought they usually list everyone's raw times at every event and had the fastest stock, fasted SP, fastest P, and fastest time of day. And no trophies are given for them, so you can compare your raw time with everyone else's. So if someone brings out a shifter cart on slicks, you want to compete your stock Ford Focus against it? Really ? At least PAX takes most of the car out of the picture and focuses on the drivers in the best way so far.

Even though I always try for FTD every event even in a stock car that is not on R compounds>>>