Stf + stc = st???

[Erv]

Would anyone be opposed to this? We don't have the amount of people I expected in STF or STC, which is why I propose the combination.

I know its not SCCA's rules, but, we can change them as needed locally.

[TouringBubble]

I think this is a good idea.

[Cholewa]

I'm all for it, I think it's silly to bother with that on a local level. Larger classes means more competition and more people having a good time.

[kilgojr]

so what are you proposing?

People classify their vehicles in STX or STF or STR or STC but everyone that is an ST(i) car runs in the same class?

Do you all want to run against Rod and Mike? Or just have an ST class for those that want it and let the people that want to run STR or F or C or X or U run in their National class if they want to?

[kilgojr]

I guess you could have a ST pro class, an SP pro class, a P Pro class, and a Stock Pro class. Then just have a Pro class, then have a Tire class......hold on wait, how many classes are we going to have?

I think its a good idea. I mean Mark and I pushed to combine classes in Time Trial that several people were split but had the basic regulations. We got that done this year. So I'm all for it, we just need to figure it out very soon, so that we can put the information up before the event in March.

[engled]

Just run in the/a pax only class if your class doesn't have enough, don't combine classes.

[Cholewa]

I think he's suggesting going back to the classes from last year, where there is ST, STR, and STX, or whatever they were last year. Instead of splitting up the civics and everything else with STC/STD/STF etc.

[Erv]

what Michael said, go back to classing from last year, instead of having 2 cars in STF and 2 cars in STC, have 4 cars in ST for more competition.

[kilgojr]

Well, here's the thing. STF had two people. STC had one person. STS had two people. STX had 5 or 6 people (4 from TVR). STR had 3 or 4 people. We had no STU cars.

So really, what are you wanting to do? If you go back to last years rules, its just going to be confusing for novices or travelers I think. Do you leave STX, STR, STU, STS alone, and dump everyone else into an ST class? Is that what you are wanting? What about the guys that are STS that only have two people?

Honestly, In that case I think we need to utilize our TIRE PAX class. Allow anyone and everyone that wants to run a Street Tire run in the TIRE class. I know typically we don't allow ST(x) cars to run in this class, but I think it will just be easier.

[Cholewa]

Maybe we should just have a regional class for people who just want to compete against other people. No pax, just raw times. If you want to race in R, you race for raw times.

I think, when people travel, they aren't as worried about competition (as seen with the pro pax stuff) but rather getting seat time.


What it sounds like, is having an HS class for lightly modified cars, that encompasses everything running a 225 or lower (or something like that). It's the XP for people who want to compete against each other. Somehow make it as easy as possible for people to understand: if you want to compete against anyone and everyone in this specific class, you can and you won't get any modifiers to your time. What you run is what you run.

[kilgojr]

I like that idea and think it may take off, so how do we institute a class that is Raw Times only? Do we allow anyone that wants to play in that sandbox play? No limitations, whatever you bring you bring? Can I run my Emod class Miata or SU class time trial car in that class if I want to?

What do we call that class? I think we need to figure it out in this thread, then start a thread that is more concise and informative to let everyone know what is going on. As I said before, we need to do this soon so we can get the information out to people.

[Cholewa]

We could have a setup similar to rallyx classes: Raw stock, Raw modified, Raw Prepared - to split the cars a bit more evenly.

Or just have Stock - Modified/Tuned - Prepared. Single letter, basic rules: Stock - same as stock rules but street tires only (140), Tuned - basic car guy mods, suspension, power mods, also street tires(140), and then Prepared - all out no holds barred any tire any car any driver, the sky's the limit.

So that way someone who just brought their daily driver that isn't tricked out can run against other daily drivers, people who would otherwise street race can race against each other, and then people with stupid cars can be stupid against other stupid cars.


Or just break it into 2 - stock + tuned, and Prepared - effectively making a street tire only class with no limits to cars allowed, and an unlimited class.

[engled]

I'm going to drop this off as I pass through.

There will be a Road tire Pax, a Hard tire Pax, a Soft tire Pax, a R-Comp pax, a Bridestone Pax a Toyo pax a Hoosier PAx, a Falken pax, a Miata Pax, a hardtop Pax, a red car PAx a blue car pax there will be so many classes and pax's (pox) that we will be taking individual runs around a course and not competing with anyone but only comparing our pax numbers. ( I kid of course)

We could all just put our initials on the car for a class with our pax number and be done. LOL!

But they say this is a time to put up or shut up. I wonder how many folks will drop their less than140 treadwear tires for factory skids. I also wonder if it takes off how quick 140+ tires will all of the sudden get slightly more expensive to buy.

FEWER CLASSES PLEASE.

[Cholewa]

Except we're making these as actual classes, not a pax on top of a mother class.

You won't run raw-hs, you'll run raw.

That would actually be "FEWER CLASSES" ... please.

[musclewrench]

This could work for me

I like the proposals thrown out so far.

What it sounds like, is having an HS class for lightly modified cars, that encompasses everything running a 225 or lower (or something like that). It's the XP for people who want to compete against each other. Somehow make it as easy as possible for people to understand: if you want to compete against anyone and everyone in this specific class, you can and you won't get any modifiers to your time. What you run is what you run.

I'd try this once. Maybe when I see times from the T&T, I could speak intelligently on the matter.

Or what wangan and cholewa put forth:

go back to classing from last year, instead of having 2 cars in STF and 2 cars in STC, have 4 cars in ST for more competition.

I think a lot of this was discussed when we tried to classify my car. Bottom line, I'm already looking for tires to give wangan a run for his money.