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    Well I hate to revisit this but here goes . The day after the TGPR time trial I proceed to hop in the 240 and fire it up to unload it from teh trailer and I see an uncharacteristic puff of blue smoke from teh exhaust ...Im like WTF was that ?

    I go ahead and stick him in the garage and drive my truck to work . I finally go taround to investigating this past weekend.

    I ran a comp test and the results were acceptible ...145-150PSI on all 4 . Then i crank it up and check for blowby and nah no blowby but had a little more cold piston noise than usual but wnet away once it got to operate temp. Then I did a leakdown test and that was not so encouraging . Had about 60% to teh CC on #2 hot ...not good I say....

    I pulled the header and intake and sure enough #2 is oily on both sides . I then decided to pull the head and OMG I did not expect this . I pull #2 down to BDC and I got (2) .030"deep gashes cut in the cylinder bore from 1"before 0 deck to the bottom of the front facing portion of the wall. I know immediately that this is terminal. I then rip the block out of the car and see what I already knew ...the circlip has come out of the number 2 piston and allowed the pin to destroy the wall. Upon further inspection I see that the clip actually looks like it was forced out and #1 was very close to doing the same .

    I dropped it all off at the machine shop today and await his theory but I am thoroughly pissed . I have at least 2 pistons that are compromised and a block that now must be sleeved to be useable again . These are CP carrillo pistons and eagle rods sold specifically for this engine and the appropriate clearances per the manufacturers spec sheet . The pistons alone are $625 a set and the rods another $300 plus so I did not spare expense on the parts quality . I also did not spare any expense on the prep work or the assembly . I sure hope someone steps up on this one because I am certain I did nothing wrong here .

    Right now I gotta wait on the machinist to look over his work and then if he doesnt find obvious reasons then I have to ship em to cali to carrillo to let them look it all over but it is really giving me a bad vibe like I am screwed.

    On a good note ...no signs of any leaning out or detonation whatsoever and the rest of the motor including all bearings and crank journals are just as perfect as they were when I put it together .
    Ricky R
    95 240sx with LS1 power. $4500 drivetrain in a $500 car
    97 miata pretty much stock

  • #2
    Oh wow...man I'm sorry to hear that...
    Nick Stone

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    • #3
      Shoulda bought a volvo


      I'm sure the machine shop will man up and take care of their err.
      M. Cholewa

      Because they heard I liked my name, so they put my name as my name so I could have my name in my name... all the time.

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      • #4
        Man, this really sucks. Really hate to hear.

        Kind of makes me want to run the teflon buttons in lieu of circlips in the Beetle. My salesperson at CB said that the clips in the Wiseco kit I ordered are great and there was no need for buttons, but I might do it just for the extra insurance.

        I hope your machinist will step up. A reputable one will.
        Matt W.
        18 SM - Lancer Evolution MR
        15 MR - Volkswagen Beetle
        Sponsors: Satellite Racing - Defined Performance

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        • #5
          me too but I swear if this motor breaks one more effing time Im going to convert it to a SBC.
          Ricky R
          95 240sx with LS1 power. $4500 drivetrain in a $500 car
          97 miata pretty much stock

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          • #6
            Originally posted by zukitek View Post
            me too but I swear if this motor breaks one more effing time Im going to convert it to a SBC.
            I keep saying that about mine too.
            John Kilgore...if winning was easy, losers would do it.
            Team9Racing BMW 325i, Old Faithful (with a little evil)

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            • #7
              The exact reason I do all my own assembly and measurement work. Chuck (and yes, I sign all my posts!)

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              • #8
                I dropped the crank and bearings to the machinist and he reassembled the RA and found no reason why this should have happened (which I was already suspecting). I picked the pistons and rods up from him this afternoon and off to Cali they go tomorrow.We will see what they have to say at CP Carrillo. All of the clearances I measured were deadbang on ...side clearnace was good , piston to wall clearance was .003", topring gap was set at .021 and second was set at .019", rod bearing oil clearance was .0015-.002" and mains were .0025-.003". I see no reason why this happened but whether it costs me money for another set of pistons or not I want to know why this failed so it doesnt happen again.
                Ricky R
                95 240sx with LS1 power. $4500 drivetrain in a $500 car
                97 miata pretty much stock

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                • #9
                  Do you have logs from megasquirt that will tell you anything?
                  "Its an incurable disease not to leave well enough alone." -Ricky
                  THE ABOVE WAS NOT EDDITED FOR SPELLING OF GRAMICAL ERRORS

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EWaugh View Post
                    Do you have logs from megasquirt that will tell you anything?
                    if it were fuel or spark related maybe a log might tell me something but since the piston tops , combustion chambers on the heads and the exhaust header tell me the tune was solid .....a log really is of no help here .
                    Ricky R
                    95 240sx with LS1 power. $4500 drivetrain in a $500 car
                    97 miata pretty much stock

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                    • #11
                      Just thinking you might be able to use that to your advantage if they try to blame it on you. Oh it was detonating or something...no, it wasn't, see.
                      "Its an incurable disease not to leave well enough alone." -Ricky
                      THE ABOVE WAS NOT EDDITED FOR SPELLING OF GRAMICAL ERRORS

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                      • #12
                        I see what you are saying now . Good point . This morning I took a look at the #1 piston and rod assembly and it appears to me there is a binding between teh pin and the rod bushing so that would account for why it would force the pin retainer out . I am going to disassemble that one before I waste shipping money to ship it out there .

                        Its a floating wristpin design so if it cant float in the rod then that is a simple explanation .

                        Edit: I took that rod and piston apart and although they do have in my opinion an overly tight fit ...I am not sure what the pin to rod oil clearance should be on that eagle rod so now Im not sure if they need to go to Eagle or to CP Carrillo.
                        Last edited by zukitek; 05-03-2012, 07:52 AM.
                        Ricky R
                        95 240sx with LS1 power. $4500 drivetrain in a $500 car
                        97 miata pretty much stock

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                        • #13
                          Had that problem with a new set of Ross pistons. Machine shop (PSI) had to hone wrist pin bores to make the pins fit right. Something that should be caught by the machine shop. CB

                          EDIT: Pistons should have not come that way unless they told you the pins were hone to fit.
                          Last edited by Chuck Baader; 05-04-2012, 01:26 PM.

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