licensing fees for TT

[zukitek]

Ricky, what type of seat do you have?

Its a Sparco Sprint 5 seat.

To go further ....if the _intent _ of the rule is to insure that I cannot end up against the rollbar in a rearend collision with a wall or another car then the only way that I could brace this seat safely against that threat would be to fill that void with something to dampen that arrival of my body to that bar. Perhaps an attachment to the seat is not the best of ideas . Perhaps something that rests against the structure of the seat back with say 4 points that does not have to be mechanically riveted/affixed/bolted/welded would be a safer solution.

[Fusion Works]

Then sell that seat, get an aluminum seat and put a back brace on that seat. Or buy a true FIA composite seat and be done with this whole argument.

Better yet, start writing letters to SCCA to get the rule changed to reflect reality, not the knee jerk reaction of lawyers and insurance people.

[Fusion Works]

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/8862-2009_Advanced_Racing_Seat.pdf

FIA ten year seats.

FIA seat mounting rule

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/253%20%2814-15%29_11.04.2014.pdf

This thread was from the time when SCCA started talking about mandating the back braces. for FIA seats.

http://forum.specmiata.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=31;t=000228;p=2

[e30Racer]

Ricky's seat is FIA homoligated. Ricky, I understand you're whole point about how the care has been running and was logbooked in it's current form, and you're now upset that you have to make a change or move to PDX. Just FYI, there is no PDX at Barber during the Labor Day race. There wasn't one last year and won't be one this year. There's just no room in the schedule for it.

You have said yourself that the sliders that your current setup uses really are not important to you. The seat rarely moves except for when vacuuming. So why not simply order a set of Sparco mounts and mount the seat to your car since you now know the position of where you want the seat to be. If you use FIA homoligated seat mounts and a FIA homoligated seat that are the same manufacturer, then you don't need a seat back brace.

Let me propose this question. What happens if the SCCA mandates that all TT level 3 drivers must use a HANS device (or similar). Would that make you stop TT'ing? Move down to PDX?

[Fusion Works]

Ricky's seat is out of date by FIA's 5 year standard. So it has to have a back brace according to SCCA. There isn't a good way around this in Ricky's case.

[farrout]

Chas has posted a letter to the TTAC on the SCCA site.

RIcky - Could you send me (Farrout@knology.net) a description of the seat configuration, etc. Thanx

[zukitek]

basically here is what I am going to have to do. I am going to buy a $250 corbeau that can be safely backbraced and put it in the car . The sparco is out of date so its not likely anyone is going to want to pay much for it.

Mark, if SCCA mandates a HNR for TT that would be difficult especially for those that in the future would be drawn to TT. For me I will quite likely get one anyway at some point whether or not it becomes mandatory.

[zukitek]

Chas has posted a letter to the TTAC on the SCCA site.

RIcky - Could you send me (Farrout@knology.net) a description of the seat configuration, etc. Thanx

It is as I said ......a Sparco Sprint 5 seat . The sliders were the sliders I removed from the stock 95 nissan 240sx seat . In order to do this I took flat bar 1.5"wide x 3/16" thick and framed it to form the mounting frame for the seat (bottom mount with bolts) then I bolted the sliders to this frame . The sliders are double locking . The sliders bolt to the floorpan with a bolt at each corner (4) via a 10 mm 1.25 bolt into the original floorpan weldnuts Nissan provided. All bolts and washers are grade 8 or higher . I did not 1/2A any detail of this and Its been in use for 100K miles and since 2008. The seat is 22 inches forward of the crossbar (which is where the brace would need to go). If you take a straightedge from the shoulder harness hole in the seat to the top of the crossbar it is level to the ground . THe top tip and Left hand shoulder of the seat are within 3 -5" of the 1.75 " O.D. rollbar mainhoop with G force padding attached . I posted this for everyones benefit but I have also copied and emailed it to you because Im sure its easier to deal with that way.

FWIW i ordered the corbeau FX1 pro 30 minutes ago and will build a backbrace for it but this needs to get fixed regardless.

[slowautoxr]

Where in the TT rules does it say that the FIA seats have an expiration date?

[Fusion Works]

SEATS: It is highly recommended that the driver’s seat be replaced with a one‐piece bucket type
race seat and shall include an upper brace if non‐FIA homologated.

This says to me if you use an FIA homologated seat, you have to abide by the FIA homologation documents which revoke certification after 5 years.

[MCMM3]

Ricky, I'm just catching up on all this but my understanding is that since SU is not a current Solo based class that it must then use the GCR safety standards. We have an FIA approved and current seat so I assume that is why we are OK.

[zukitek]

Ricky, I'm just catching up on all this but my understanding is that since SU is not a current Solo based class that it must then use the GCR safety standards. We have an FIA approved and current seat so I assume that is why we are OK.

That is the reality now. Here is my rub with SU. It has no ruleset to prepare to. The class was SM/street mod untill the designation was changed to differentiate it from SM/spec miata for easier timing and scoring . SM /street mod is a solo class . Now as my car is today...it would not meet the class rules of SM. A ruleset needs to exist for SU otherwise there is willy nillyness where things are not clear as to what you can and cannot do.

[e30Racer]

Below is the first paragraph from the SEDIV TT website. Read the last sentence. It basically says that safety equipment must meet the SOLO standards.

"Vehicles in this class should be titled and registered for use on public roads or have the ability to do so. It is intended as a class for street type cars whose modifications prevent them from finding a place in one of the historically available street type classes. Vehicles with an existing SEDIV SM Solo1/TT level 3 or 4 logbook are grandfathered into SU per the owner’s decision to change to this class and an inspection to a licensed Time Trial inspector. Vehicles in this class must have working brake lights and windshield wipers. With the exception of kit cars entering the class prior to 1/1/1999, a safety glass windshield is required. All lights required for street registration must be present and functional. Safety equipment should match performance potential. At a minimum, safety equipment must meet the requirements in the current SCCA Time Trial Rules for solo Street Modified cars."

[e30Racer]

But this thread brings up something I have been meaning to do. And that is to have a better ruleset which sets out the SU rules and regs in a better and more easily read format so that a person actually know what the class is supposed to be.

[zukitek]

But this thread brings up something I have been meaning to do. And that is to have a better ruleset which sets out the SU rules and regs in a better and more easily read format so that a person actually know what the class is supposed to be.

I would tick the "like" button on this if there was one. I am not saying we need to go ape and rule the thing to death but there needs to be some lines drawn so that the box is defined for the benefit of both the current cars and future cars . It does not need to be a XP class where anything goes.