TGPR October 25th

[EWaugh]

I don't remember a sticking caliper. We pulled off after T1 with a popped loose turbo house though. We worked hard on braking and apexing and I believe I tried to force you start auto-xing at one point.

My wheel grab was at Nashville. I had a woman who listened well and picked up a lot in a shot time, but she could not get the turn in for T2 down. For all my talking and hand signals she kept turning in about half a mile early. She started turning in one lap and I turned the wheel back straight, with a "not yet," then a "now." She had that turn down after that. Had that been a 60mph turn instead of a 25 mph I probably wounldn't have done that. It was also in a RX-8, which I'm pretty sure I could drive from the passanger seat, I think they're smaller than a miata.

[87RX7RACER]

LOL!!!

[zukitek]

crickets.....

[janders211]

I know nothing about the incident but noob drivers with non-noob cars can be a handful. The instructor can only do so much from the passenger seat. I will say that I have taken the steering wheel out of a students hands before, and I know I'm not the only instructor to have done so. I had a guy with a swapped 240 that was that way. I was happy just getting him to a safe level. I wasn't trying to get him any faster because he lacked the basics, and he scared me a little.

I think that was me...if it was at Barber. Although there was no wheel grabbing, peeing or screaming(that I know of). Grey car-with a sticking caliper?

[roadracer4life]

i wish i could be there guys but i am already set to instruct for the speed for sale group that friday.. then saturday i am racing at Steele.. still hope you all have fun...
Sam

[87RX7RACER]

oh thats priceless...You scared Barry????Thats an accomplishment indeed.

RR

LOL, yeah at the time I didn't know him all-and that was 4 years ago. That was back when he had the MKIV Supra. But we managed to stay in contact with each other a little through the years and I have moved around the state alot since then. It was guys like him and Chuck B. that captivated me and got me going in this sport. I have waited a long time to get back to TGPR and to get into autocross-and now I can't wait!!!

-Vincent.

[Jab31169]

If someone has a hardtop I can borrow then I can go...until then im out!!

[zukitek]

Wow, I didn't even know that an instructor could do that

There are gray areas in everything ...I have never had to grab a steering wheel and I hope I never do .I have seen/heard of instructors grabbing the steering wheel in a panic situation to avert a certain catastrophe but thats about the only reason I might take action is if impact was imminent if i didnt.Its not common that an instructor would do this .

RR

[zukitek]

oh thats priceless...You scared Barry????Thats an accomplishment indeed.

RR

[87RX7RACER]

Wow, I didn't even know that an instructor could do that...lol. But I have admit that I have "scared" an instructor before (Barry Hair)...hehe. But that was only because after a few sessions of driving my confidence level was going up and I was starting to attempt to squeeze every last drop of speed out of the track (which later resulted in completely smoking my tires-**03 Hyundai Tiburon GT stock**). Going into Turn 1 (CW) I was "testing" the limits of the braking zone and I was actually getting a hint of oversteer going into that corner...lol. As this was happening I heard a "whooooa" and as I was rounding 1 Barry said to me "Vincent, do you want to drive this car home?" and of course I said "yes" and then he said "well you need to back it down just a little bit" as he was holding his hand out making a pinching motion.


I knew that I was on the limits of grip, as I could feel it-but it's so easy to get over aggressive, which could get you in trouble. I'll never forget what Barry told me that day no matter how far I get into this hobby. So my advice to the newcombers is don't be affraid, but at the same time remember to take your time and let the track come to you and by all means listen to your instructor. Remember that he/she at one point started off right where you are, and that they are there to help you out any way they can-so ask lots of questions....I know I will.

-Vincent

[zukitek]

I had a guy with a swapped 240 that was that way. I was happy just getting him to a safe level. I wasn't trying to get him any faster because he lacked the basics, and he scared me a little.

Did yo pee a little Evan??

RR

[EWaugh]

I know nothing about the incident but noob drivers with non-noob cars can be a handful. The instructor can only do so much from the passenger seat. I will say that I have taken the steering wheel out of a students hands before, and I know I'm not the only instructor to have done so. I had a guy with a swapped 240 that was that way. I was happy just getting him to a safe level. I wasn't trying to get him any faster because he lacked the basics, and he scared me a little.

[87RX7RACER]

I am now registered...looking forward to it

We're up to 10 now!!! Your the one with the 240? What kind of mods do you have?

-Vincent

[janders211]

I am now registered...looking forward to it

[87RX7RACER]

Definately true Evan. Unfortunately when I was there I saw there was a woman who was driving a supercharged E36 M3 and went four wheels off at the exit of turn three. She didn't even hit the brakes until she was in the grass and the car slammed into the tree line and totaled the car out(rear suspension was totally gone). I believe it was her first event, and it just goes to show that a good instructor can understand what the driver's skills are, and adjust the line accordingly to keep him/her out of trouble.

-Vincent