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    It was a weekend of some major downs, and some good ups! I'd first really like to thank everyone who put the weekend together and made it happen. The guys from TVR, George Bugg, Craig Farr, Mark Rothermel, you guys are awesome! Thanks to John W8 and Ricky Ragan from the ALSCCA crew! Thanks to workers, Cholewa, C and Sara, Nick V, Griffin, Mike Cavanaugh, and Chuck Schultz!

    Saturday was a really rough day. We had worked all winter to get the cars ready, make some improvements, and thought we were good to go. Well, right out of the box, my car wasn't running right. It would lean out on part throttle which was really evident when trying to roll into the throttle coming off a turn, or when getting off the gas and then getting back on during shifting. It was ok at WOT, but wasn't really drive-able and of course, fear that the engine was going to break under the lean conditions didn't help. So we started working on the tune with the ecu. Didn't seem to help. We recalibrated the O2 sensor and changed spark plugs which had become pretty dirty and fouled (the car was running really rich under idle). And then we also found that the Air flow meter sensor was unplugged. OK, surely with all that the car would be fixed. AND IT WAS!!! at least for a session and a half before the engine started cutting out and sputtering. WOT, part throttle, idle, it was all running rough. So then we started looking at fuel, that wasn't the case. Then finally, Andrew (british guy with another e30) noticed that the Crankshaft Position Sensor was being rubbed against one of the pulleys and it had eaten through the CPS's shielding and part of the wires. We replaced my CPS with John's and voila, the car was back to normal!

    Now you may ask yourself, well what are you going to do with John's car now that it doesn't have a CPS and won't run without one. Well, bad news. John's car had been running well for the first two sessions. He had managed to run a 1:12.0 which was pretty dang good. Since my car was down, I took my last session in his car. While I was on my 4th or 5th lap, the engine went down on power and started getting a knocking noise coming from the engine. I thought we had broken a rocker arm or something like that in the head. We opened the valve cover and everything looked good. Pulled some of the oil, and there were no metal shavings. However, consensus from a couple people think that a rod bearing was spun. So either way, the engine needs to be pulled and torn down. BUMMER!!!!

    But Sunday brought some happiness to the weekend. My car was up and running, and was running perfectly!!! So John, Jamie McKinell, and myself all drove my car Sunday in each of our sessions. The new Hankook RS-3 were AMAZING!!!! Besides the rubber from the track, the tires still aren't worn down past the "ventus" and "fire" markings on the rubber. The tires gripped like mad and although we were feeling some tread squirm, once you trusted the tires to stick, we put in some good times. John ended up with a 1:12.4, Jamie with a 1:14, and myself with a 1:11.4. It was a great day on Sunday, but boy was the weekend exhausting.

    But one of the funnest/learning experiences I had this weekend was something that I hadn't experienced before. Having done mostly autox, I have never been able to compare times between two or more events, as with autox, the course always changes. But with this being my third TT out at TGPR, I was finally able to start looking at how the car is different, hopefully better, than previous events. But a funny thing happened. After the first few runs on sunday, with a fully healthy car, the times were slow. REAL SLOW!!!! I would come of the track feeling as though I had pushed the car hard, was improving on my times, and hopefully make ground on my previous 1:10.9 from November of last year out at TGPR. But as I started talking to other drivers, everyone was feeling the same thing. The track wasn't as fast as it had been in the past. For some reason, the conditions weren't as favorable. It was strange for me feeling like I am faster, but my times were slower. A real learning experience which is completely different from autox. But that's what makes this stuff fun.
    Mark K
    1989 BMW 325i
    1990 BMW 325i
    2013 BMW 135i

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    I always got the same feeling at autocross, when I would finish I had the shaky hands and I felt like I pushed harder than ever before, and then found out that I was considerably slower.

    Then I would come back around and do the opposite, feel like I turned a horrible time that felt slow and lame, and then it was a second faster than the last one..

    It was a great weekend for sure, I'm glad you guys got old faithful sorted so everyone could grab some runs in it.


    I also want to thank everyone who took part in the lightning round at the end of Saturday. We had a fair amount of setbacks that pushed us pretty late into the schedule ( I think we were about an hour off - with all the tows and offs in the morning as everyone shook off the dirt from a winter of no racing) but were able to get everyone back out on track and finished with some time to spare for workers.
    I know it wasn't ideal, but I enjoyed it as control, it was different and actually pretty exciting up in the tower. Hopefully everybody didn't hate it enough to say anything about it.

    Everyone got 3 full sessions plus the mini session on saturday, and then as sunday normally goes, a session or two, then people just want to go home.


    Also, props to John Waight for winning the consistency shoots out.
    M. Cholewa

    Because they heard I liked my name, so they put my name as my name so I could have my name in my name... all the time.

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    • #3
      A long weekend for sure, but man it was fun. Great times with great people. Maybe one day I'll be cool enough to be racing out there too! (doubtful)
      Nick Stone

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      • #4
        I pushed my car way harder than the fall and still could not come withing .8 of my 110.5 I ran in the fall. Best I could muster was a 111.3XX. My times suffered further still when I finally corded the 4 year old RS2s I got second hand from Alan B. and had to switch to my equally worn but not corded 3 year old RS3s . The car ran pretty much flawlessly...I just needed to drive it better I guess. Wasnt able to catch Leons 109.XXX but oh well.

        Thanks sooo much to all of the workers for your help !!!
        Ricky R
        95 240sx with LS1 power. $4500 drivetrain in a $500 car
        97 miata pretty much stock

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        • #5
          Wait for the dry november air, that might help over the wet april air.

          It was also pretty damn windy out there, so everyone was fighting wind a fair bit. That could easily account for a second increase in your time.
          M. Cholewa

          Because they heard I liked my name, so they put my name as my name so I could have my name in my name... all the time.

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          • #6
            I have been there a couple times with a private group. This was my first rodeo as an official event. and I gotta say, it was a blast. very well run event and it was great meeting new people and seeing the variety of machinery out there. and THANKS WORKERS.

            Anyway, I came to get my liscense so I can do the crow hill climb. that just seems like a blast that I got to try. hopefully it still happens, I heard there may be issues. but also I came gunning for the CSP record. it didn't happen for me. my car was running poorly all weekend. it started Saturday first session with a random misfire at high RPM’s (end of the straights) and progressively got worse each session, sputtering at WOT everywhere to the point that it shut down and had to be towed my last session on Sunday. So my car was in no shape to go chasing a track record. My fastest lap for the weekend was the second lap of my second session. First session was on streets. It was a 1:09.9. a second off the record. after that, between the missing and the traffic, I never got any faster.

            Don’t know what the issue was. I checked about everything I could think of. Pulled plugs, checked wiring connections, swapped coils, vacuum lines, checked and rechecked my tune and tweaked it. all to no avail. I am thinking it must be my fuel system. Either the pump going out, or filter clogged. Someone mentioned the ethanol in my gas. that makes sense because it did sit for a while and I put more gas on top of what was in there. So it might be gummed up. I dunno.

            But it was a good time regardless of the trouble. I will just have to go back next round and gun for the record ;-) it was great meeting and hanging with ya'll. see ya'll again at crow if it happens.
            You can't unpull a Trigger

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            • #7
              Trigger it was good hanging out with you in the paddock. Didn't realize you were on our forum here. It was crazy how you and Mark were chasing the same sort of problem all weekend.
              John Kilgore...if winning was easy, losers would do it.
              Team9Racing BMW 325i, Old Faithful (with a little evil)

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              • #8
                I had a great time being on track, and for once, had no issues with oil blow by. Maybe it's cured. I had fun being paddocked next to Wally Lacey, Ricky Ragan, and Andy Tow. It makes track days much more fun when you can cut up with good friends and try and help each other out. Great day. the track was a bit slickery to me as well, I assumed it was the sorta old Hoosiers I was running but everyone had the same issues. The track seemed about 1 to 1.5 seconds slower. Maybe it was pollen in the air or dust from all the agricultural moments over the weekend. I might have been overgeared for the track as I couldn't find a good spot for the shifter. 4th had me making lots of noise but not much speed, 5th had me bogging down and losing momentum. 3rd was too tachy and easy to lose grip, but I tried them all.
                At one point I put it in 4th and drove the entire track. It worked ok but I think I left
                some out there.

                Congrats to Clayton Pannell for the ITA win.

                A huge thanks to all the volunteers who came out to work this event. You are the greatest! Thank you for your service and support.
                Only 1 day or 2 day didn't matter because you filled a spot that needed to be filled. Thank you very much.
                Last edited by JohnW8; 04-17-2012, 11:15 AM.
                John W8
                CSP 10 Yellow Miata

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                • #9
                  Are the results posted?
                  Darryl E.
                  Blue Miata with ricer stickers.
                  Wizzer Motorsports

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JohnW8 View Post
                    <snip>Great day. the track was a bit slickery to me as well, I assumed it was the sorta old Hoosiers I was running but everyone had the same issues. The track seemed about 1 to 1.5 seconds slower.<snip>
                    I recommend the General Altimax's to fix your slippy problem. The 175/70-14 seemed to be especially grippy this weekend.
                    Charles
                    TAC/TVR
                    #72 SA rallyx Impreza 2.5 RS
                    #74 "CSP" time trial Miata

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by engled View Post
                      Are the results posted?
                      Still clearing up some issues. Drivers that were car-hopping were getting pings in several different classes. They gotta clear up some issues.

                      Example: Charles' times were around 10 seconds off the pace for CSP. There's an investigation ongoing. I cannot comment further.
                      Last edited by JohnW8; 04-17-2012, 02:01 PM.
                      John W8
                      CSP 10 Yellow Miata

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slowautoxr View Post
                        I recommend the General Altimax's to fix your slippy problem. The 175/70-14 seemed to be especially grippy this weekend.
                        I'll wait and see how the Generals do in the fall before I order a set.
                        John W8
                        CSP 10 Yellow Miata

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by slowautoxr View Post
                          I recommend the General Altimax's to fix your slippy problem. The 175/70-14 seemed to be especially grippy this weekend.
                          Lol. Hoping to get mine mounted soon!
                          Matt W.
                          18 SM - Lancer Evolution MR
                          15 MR - Volkswagen Beetle
                          Sponsors: Satellite Racing - Defined Performance

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Trigger View Post
                            Don’t know what the issue was. I checked about everything I could think of. Pulled plugs, checked wiring connections, swapped coils, vacuum lines, checked and rechecked my tune and tweaked it. all to no avail. I am thinking it must be my fuel system. Either the pump going out, or filter clogged. Someone mentioned the ethanol in my gas. that makes sense because it did sit for a while and I put more gas on top of what was in there. So it might be gummed up. I dunno.

                            But it was a good time regardless of the trouble. I will just have to go back next round and gun for the record ;-) it was great meeting and hanging with ya'll. see ya'll again at crow if it happens.
                            Was this the red miata, maybe 53 or 57 or 67 or something?

                            There was one that sounded awful whenever he was on the gas unless he wasn't going WOT. It almost sounded like he was running on 3 cylinders or had a huge exhaust leak. Every time he came down the front straight I was worried the motor was going to give.
                            M. Cholewa

                            Because they heard I liked my name, so they put my name as my name so I could have my name in my name... all the time.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cholewa View Post
                              Was this the red miata, maybe 53 or 57 or 67 or something?

                              There was one that sounded awful whenever he was on the gas unless he wasn't going WOT. It almost sounded like he was running on 3 cylinders or had a huge exhaust leak. Every time he came down the front straight I was worried the motor was going to give.
                              That's the one you're thinking about. Super duper misfire.

                              Hope you get it sorted out.
                              Nick Stone

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