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  • 2015 SEDIV Results

    Attached are the SEDIV results from this past weekend. These results do not include those who only attended one day as they were not eligible for SEDIV points. Mark and I will be working to get ALSCCA points 3 and 4 results posted soon.

    Updated the results. Only the Novice class changed.
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    Last edited by SamC; 07-01-2015, 02:50 PM.
    Sam Copeland
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  • #2
    Wow, John and I were only separated by .435 over 10 runs.
    Darryl E.
    Blue Miata with ricer stickers.
    Wizzer Motorsports

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    • #3
      Originally posted by engled View Post
      Wow, John and I were only separated by .435 over 10 runs.
      That is some darn good racin'! Congrats on the win!
      Nick Stone

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      • #4
        Wow! No wonder we gave up trying to guess who was out front.

        Congrats to Darryl for being fast and clean, consistently.

        Good driving and some great competition.
        John W8
        CSP 10 Yellow Miata

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        • #5
          UHHH, I need some clarification on some results. Alright, we ran 6 times each day and the 5 fastest times are added together. This result sheets lists our 5 fastest times on each day (I know this cause my 1st run day 1 was in the 90s and it aint listed).

          Doing a quick little math with the winners times, all of the open class winners' times appear correct. However, the PAX classes (Novice & PRO) only count 4 of the listed 5 runs. Example:

          Krampert ran 69.0+67.9+68.4+68.6+68.1=~342ish seconds
          but his day 1 cumulative time is 282.676, which is precisely 59 seconds less than expected. Actually as i write this, even that doesn't add up....

          Kyler Bush's day 1 total really doesn't make sense. it is 226 which is exactly his 3 fastest runs added together.

          another example is my times, i never ran a time faster than 82 seconds on day 1, therefore my total day 1 time should minimum be 410 seconds, but it is listed as 347. So something is off or i miss understood something.

          The same pattern appears true for day 2. With the exception of bush, his 4 fastest runs were counted day 2.

          Also, this doesn't appear to affect any standings, all trophy positions appear to be the same regardless if you count the fastest 4 or 5 runs. The only thing that is close to changing is I may have finished 3rd instead of 4th in novice. That's not me complaining or anything, getting 4th is a hell of a lot better than I expected for my first event.

          After writing this essay of a post, I feel it is necessary to say thank you to the people who did timing and scoring. I know this is hard as hell to keep up with times of a group this big when your scoring software is designed for it and 10x worse when it has to be done by hand.
          Miles Crabbe #31
          Sebeco NP01 WRL GTU
          Margay Ignite LO206

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          • #6
            Novice & Pro are pax classes. Here's the process, using Krampert as the example.

            Day 1, total of the 5 runs is 342.223. Multiply this by the BS PAX of 0.826 and get the 282.676 shown as his Saturday total. This is correct as shown.

            Day 2, do the same thing

            Event total, add Day 1 & Day 2 as calculated above.


            Thanks for digging into what you thought might be a problem...seriously. We need more folks to learn how to run timing & scoring during the events (I can do it, so it can't be hard!), so if you'd like to help sometime just let us know.

            that's a sincere invitation btw, not a smart@ss "if you think it's wrong why don't you do it better"
            Last edited by rodhx; 07-01-2015, 01:30 PM.
            Rod H
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            • #7
              Originally posted by rodhx View Post
              Novice & Pro are pax classes. Here's the process, using Krampert as the example.

              Day 1, total of the 5 runs is 342.223. Multiply this by the BS PAX of 0.826 and get the 282.676 shown as his Saturday total. This is correct as shown.

              Day 2, do the same thing

              Event total, add Day 1 & Day 2 as calculated above.


              Thanks for digging into what you thought might be a problem...seriously. We need more folks to learn how to run timing & scoring during the events (I can do it, so it can't be hard!), so if you'd like to help sometime just let us know.

              that's a sincere invitation btw, not a smart@ss "if you think it's wrong why don't you do it better"
              AHHHH, gotcha, that makes perfect sense. In my head the PAX multiplier didn't seem like it would make 10s of seconds of difference but now that you say that and I plug in the numbers, I see my error. And I would love to learn how to do timing and scoring and help any way I can.
              Miles Crabbe #31
              Sebeco NP01 WRL GTU
              Margay Ignite LO206

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MilesCrabbe View Post
                AHHHH, gotcha, that makes perfect sense. In my head the PAX multiplier didn't seem like it would make 10s of seconds of difference but now that you say that and I plug in the numbers, I see my error. And I would love to learn how to do timing and scoring and help any way I can.
                Get with me or Rob Arbitelle at the next event and we will make sure that is your work assignment.
                Sam Copeland
                Nissan 350Z BSP 2
                www.RedvsBlackRacing.com
                www.facebook.com/RedvsBlackRacing

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                • #9
                  Alright I see my error in general but I still think I may have found one, I'm stuck on Kyler's 226.634 day 1 total time, that just seems abnormally small even with PAX factored, my calculation with the STU PAX of .844 is:

                  Kyler Bush (81.909 + 78.576 + 81.402 + 75.453 + 76.981)*.844 = 332.807

                  Am i doing something wrong here?

                  Originally posted by SamC View Post
                  Get with me or Rob Arbitelle at the next event and we will make sure that is your work assignment.
                  Thanks I will do that, again I'm not trying to tear apart yall's work, I'm genuinely interested in this and just saw something that didn't quite add up to me.
                  Miles Crabbe #31
                  Sebeco NP01 WRL GTU
                  Margay Ignite LO206

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MilesCrabbe View Post
                    Alright I see my error in general but I still think I may have found one, I'm stuck on Kyler's 226.634 day 1 total time, that just seems abnormally small even with PAX factored, my calculation with the STU PAX of .844 is:

                    Kyler Bush (81.909 + 78.576 + 81.402 + 75.453 + 76.981)*.844 = 332.807

                    Am i doing something wrong here?
                    Nope...you're doing it correctly. That one looks screwy. Just talked with Sam and he is double checking all the Novice & Pro results.
                    Last edited by rodhx; 07-01-2015, 02:28 PM.
                    Rod H
                    Bringing a knife to a gun fight.

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                    • #11
                      Results have been updated.
                      Sam Copeland
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                      • #12
                        FWIW, and please take this as constructive input, this really is not rallycross scoring. Other than adding up runs, I cannot figure out what was done. For instance, I had 4 DNF's on Saturday (yes 4), and for those runs I got 91.641 times. If a DNF=same class slowest time + 10 seconds, then my time should have been 10 seconds higher than Nick's (only other competitor in SSM) slowest time, which was 67.843. Difference between 91.641 and 77.843 = 13.798 seconds x 3 DNF's = 41.394 additional seconds. Now, this would not have in any way affected the outcome in SSM, so there was no point making a big deal out of it. However, in other cases it may make a difference.

                        True rallycross scoring is 10 seconds for a missed gate, which is typically what is called in as a DNF in autocross. It is possible to have multiple missed gates. In rallycross a true DNF means you either went so far off course that you weren't even in the ballpark, or you actually did not finish (mechanical issue, caused a red flag due to a gas leak [ahem], etc.) Then the time is the slowest competitor in class plus 10 seconds.

                        I don't know if the Axware software allows for these calculations, so it may be more difficult to do than what it sounds. For TVR RallyX we use a custom spreadsheet that has all of this logic built in, but obviously the times have to be input manually.

                        At any rate, if anyone is interested in help with true rallycross scoring for future events I am more than happy to help.
                        Andrew Reynolds
                        TVR Youth Steward
                        1994 Mazda Miata Turbo Black SSM #0 (Autox)
                        1999 Mazda Miata SC Greenish MR #0 (RallyX)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MX5_Racer View Post
                          FWIW, and please take this as constructive input, this really is not rallycross scoring. Other than adding up runs, I cannot figure out what was done. For instance, I had 4 DNF's on Saturday (yes 4), and for those runs I got 91.641 times. If a DNF=same class slowest time + 10 seconds, then my time should have been 10 seconds higher than Nick's (only other competitor in SSM) slowest time, which was 67.843. Difference between 91.641 and 77.843 = 13.798 seconds x 3 DNF's = 41.394 additional seconds. Now, this would not have in any way affected the outcome in SSM, so there was no point making a big deal out of it. However, in other cases it may make a difference.

                          True rallycross scoring is 10 seconds for a missed gate, which is typically what is called in as a DNF in autocross. It is possible to have multiple missed gates. In rallycross a true DNF means you either went so far off course that you weren't even in the ballpark, or you actually did not finish (mechanical issue, caused a red flag due to a gas leak [ahem], etc.) Then the time is the slowest competitor in class plus 10 seconds.

                          I don't know if the Axware software allows for these calculations, so it may be more difficult to do than what it sounds. For TVR RallyX we use a custom spreadsheet that has all of this logic built in, but obviously the times have to be input manually.

                          At any rate, if anyone is interested in help with true rallycross scoring for future events I am more than happy to help.
                          This was a modified version of rally scoring. Scott came up with this scoring type for SEDIV. He wanted something no one had done before. The rules were posted on the SEDIV site and on the registration home page. So they were scored correctly.

                          As far as the SSM results. Only your best 5 runs from each day are shown thus the slowest time in class is not shown.
                          Sam Copeland
                          Nissan 350Z BSP 2
                          www.RedvsBlackRacing.com
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                          • #14
                            Just cause I like making things complicated.... do we get a list of PAX and RAW times like they did in Knoxville? aka like a normal auto-x?

                            I'd be happy to take the spreadsheet the PDF was made from and work through that if someone wants to e-mail it to me.

                            Edit: And when did my title get changed? LOL
                            Last edited by jledford; 07-01-2015, 03:48 PM.
                            - Jerry Ledford
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jledford View Post
                              Just cause I like making things complicated.... do we get a list of PAX and RAW times like they did in Knoxville? aka like a normal auto-x?

                              I'd be happy to take the spreadsheet the PDF was made from and work through that if someone wants to e-mail it to me.

                              Edit: And when did my title get changed? LOL
                              I'll send it to you, PM me your email.

                              And I don't know when your title was changed but that's funny
                              Sam Copeland
                              Nissan 350Z BSP 2
                              www.RedvsBlackRacing.com
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