2015 SEDIV Results

[SamC]

Attached are the SEDIV results from this past weekend. These results do not include those who only attended one day as they were not eligible for SEDIV points. Mark and I will be working to get ALSCCA points 3 and 4 results posted soon.

Updated the results. Only the Novice class changed.

[engled]

Wow, John and I were only separated by .435 over 10 runs.

[nicktcr]

Wow, John and I were only separated by .435 over 10 runs.

That is some darn good racin'! Congrats on the win!

[JohnW8]

Wow! No wonder we gave up trying to guess who was out front.

Congrats to Darryl for being fast and clean, consistently.

Good driving and some great competition.

[MilesCrabbe]

UHHH, I need some clarification on some results. Alright, we ran 6 times each day and the 5 fastest times are added together. This result sheets lists our 5 fastest times on each day (I know this cause my 1st run day 1 was in the 90s and it aint listed).

Doing a quick little math with the winners times, all of the open class winners' times appear correct. However, the PAX classes (Novice & PRO) only count 4 of the listed 5 runs. Example:

Krampert ran 69.0+67.9+68.4+68.6+68.1=~342ish seconds
but his day 1 cumulative time is 282.676, which is precisely 59 seconds less than expected. Actually as i write this, even that doesn't add up....

Kyler Bush's day 1 total really doesn't make sense. it is 226 which is exactly his 3 fastest runs added together.

another example is my times, i never ran a time faster than 82 seconds on day 1, therefore my total day 1 time should minimum be 410 seconds, but it is listed as 347. So something is off or i miss understood something.

The same pattern appears true for day 2. With the exception of bush, his 4 fastest runs were counted day 2.

Also, this doesn't appear to affect any standings, all trophy positions appear to be the same regardless if you count the fastest 4 or 5 runs. The only thing that is close to changing is I may have finished 3rd instead of 4th in novice. That's not me complaining or anything, getting 4th is a hell of a lot better than I expected for my first event.

After writing this essay of a post, I feel it is necessary to say thank you to the people who did timing and scoring. I know this is hard as hell to keep up with times of a group this big when your scoring software is designed for it and 10x worse when it has to be done by hand.

[rodhx]

Novice & Pro are pax classes. Here's the process, using Krampert as the example.

Day 1, total of the 5 runs is 342.223. Multiply this by the BS PAX of 0.826 and get the 282.676 shown as his Saturday total. This is correct as shown.

Day 2, do the same thing

Event total, add Day 1 & Day 2 as calculated above.


Thanks for digging into what you thought might be a problem...seriously. We need more folks to learn how to run timing & scoring during the events (I can do it, so it can't be hard!), so if you'd like to help sometime just let us know.

that's a sincere invitation btw, not a smart@ss "if you think it's wrong why don't you do it better"

[MilesCrabbe]

Novice & Pro are pax classes. Here's the process, using Krampert as the example.

Day 1, total of the 5 runs is 342.223. Multiply this by the BS PAX of 0.826 and get the 282.676 shown as his Saturday total. This is correct as shown.

Day 2, do the same thing

Event total, add Day 1 & Day 2 as calculated above.


Thanks for digging into what you thought might be a problem...seriously. We need more folks to learn how to run timing & scoring during the events (I can do it, so it can't be hard!), so if you'd like to help sometime just let us know.

that's a sincere invitation btw, not a smart@ss "if you think it's wrong why don't you do it better"

AHHHH, gotcha, that makes perfect sense. In my head the PAX multiplier didn't seem like it would make 10s of seconds of difference but now that you say that and I plug in the numbers, I see my error. And I would love to learn how to do timing and scoring and help any way I can.

[SamC]

AHHHH, gotcha, that makes perfect sense. In my head the PAX multiplier didn't seem like it would make 10s of seconds of difference but now that you say that and I plug in the numbers, I see my error. And I would love to learn how to do timing and scoring and help any way I can.

Get with me or Rob Arbitelle at the next event and we will make sure that is your work assignment.

[MilesCrabbe]

Alright I see my error in general but I still think I may have found one, I'm stuck on Kyler's 226.634 day 1 total time, that just seems abnormally small even with PAX factored, my calculation with the STU PAX of .844 is:

Kyler Bush (81.909 + 78.576 + 81.402 + 75.453 + 76.981)*.844 = 332.807

Am i doing something wrong here?

Get with me or Rob Arbitelle at the next event and we will make sure that is your work assignment.

Thanks I will do that, again I'm not trying to tear apart yall's work, I'm genuinely interested in this and just saw something that didn't quite add up to me.

[rodhx]

Alright I see my error in general but I still think I may have found one, I'm stuck on Kyler's 226.634 day 1 total time, that just seems abnormally small even with PAX factored, my calculation with the STU PAX of .844 is:

Kyler Bush (81.909 + 78.576 + 81.402 + 75.453 + 76.981)*.844 = 332.807

Am i doing something wrong here?

Nope...you're doing it correctly. That one looks screwy. Just talked with Sam and he is double checking all the Novice & Pro results.

[SamC]

Results have been updated.

[MX5_Racer]

FWIW, and please take this as constructive input, this really is not rallycross scoring. Other than adding up runs, I cannot figure out what was done. For instance, I had 4 DNF's on Saturday (yes 4), and for those runs I got 91.641 times. If a DNF=same class slowest time + 10 seconds, then my time should have been 10 seconds higher than Nick's (only other competitor in SSM) slowest time, which was 67.843. Difference between 91.641 and 77.843 = 13.798 seconds x 3 DNF's = 41.394 additional seconds. Now, this would not have in any way affected the outcome in SSM, so there was no point making a big deal out of it. However, in other cases it may make a difference.

True rallycross scoring is 10 seconds for a missed gate, which is typically what is called in as a DNF in autocross. It is possible to have multiple missed gates. In rallycross a true DNF means you either went so far off course that you weren't even in the ballpark, or you actually did not finish (mechanical issue, caused a red flag due to a gas leak [ahem], etc.) Then the time is the slowest competitor in class plus 10 seconds.

I don't know if the Axware software allows for these calculations, so it may be more difficult to do than what it sounds. For TVR RallyX we use a custom spreadsheet that has all of this logic built in, but obviously the times have to be input manually.

At any rate, if anyone is interested in help with true rallycross scoring for future events I am more than happy to help.

[SamC]

FWIW, and please take this as constructive input, this really is not rallycross scoring. Other than adding up runs, I cannot figure out what was done. For instance, I had 4 DNF's on Saturday (yes 4), and for those runs I got 91.641 times. If a DNF=same class slowest time + 10 seconds, then my time should have been 10 seconds higher than Nick's (only other competitor in SSM) slowest time, which was 67.843. Difference between 91.641 and 77.843 = 13.798 seconds x 3 DNF's = 41.394 additional seconds. Now, this would not have in any way affected the outcome in SSM, so there was no point making a big deal out of it. However, in other cases it may make a difference.

True rallycross scoring is 10 seconds for a missed gate, which is typically what is called in as a DNF in autocross. It is possible to have multiple missed gates. In rallycross a true DNF means you either went so far off course that you weren't even in the ballpark, or you actually did not finish (mechanical issue, caused a red flag due to a gas leak [ahem], etc.) Then the time is the slowest competitor in class plus 10 seconds.

I don't know if the Axware software allows for these calculations, so it may be more difficult to do than what it sounds. For TVR RallyX we use a custom spreadsheet that has all of this logic built in, but obviously the times have to be input manually.

At any rate, if anyone is interested in help with true rallycross scoring for future events I am more than happy to help.

This was a modified version of rally scoring. Scott came up with this scoring type for SEDIV. He wanted something no one had done before. The rules were posted on the SEDIV site and on the registration home page. So they were scored correctly.

As far as the SSM results. Only your best 5 runs from each day are shown thus the slowest time in class is not shown.

[jledford]

Just cause I like making things complicated.... do we get a list of PAX and RAW times like they did in Knoxville? aka like a normal auto-x?

I'd be happy to take the spreadsheet the PDF was made from and work through that if someone wants to e-mail it to me.

Edit: And when did my title get changed? LOL

[SamC]

Just cause I like making things complicated.... do we get a list of PAX and RAW times like they did in Knoxville? aka like a normal auto-x?

I'd be happy to take the spreadsheet the PDF was made from and work through that if someone wants to e-mail it to me.

Edit: And when did my title get changed? LOL

I'll send it to you, PM me your email.

And I don't know when your title was changed but that's funny