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Response to the Elephant

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  • Response to the Elephant

    This is directly from the rulebook.

    "Courses must be tight enough so that cars run the entire course
    in their lower gears. Speeds on straight stretches should not
    normally exceed the low 60’s (mph) for the fastest Stock and
    Street Prepared category cars. The fastest portions of the course
    shall be those most remote from spectators and property. Turns
    should not normally allow speeds in excess of 45 mph in unprepared
    cars. It must be remembered that sites themselves vary
    and not all sites will safely support the speeds shown in these
    guidelines (see Section 1.3). Conformity to these speed guidelines
    does not preclude reasonable and prudent consideration of
    the conditions encountered."

    If the finish was too fast, it was only because the two turns before the finish straight were too fast, not that the straight was too long. The straight is desired because it gives the driver and the car time to settle in a straight line with the throttle wide open. If you looked at the incident with the driver hitting the lights, the problem started in the turn before the final straight.

    Also regarding the straight line speed at the timing lights, in my opinion as a Safety Steward for 15+ years, we were marginally faster than we should have been. I was trapping at about 62mph and I am in the category of "fastest stock and street prepared vehicles", although obviously there were other vehicles present with much more straight line speed.

    In the future, I hope we continue to use a significant straight through the lights. We just need to limit the speed more approaching that straight.
    "I'm not as think as you slow I am"

  • #2
    Originally posted by g1teg View Post
    In the future, I hope we continue to use a significant straight through the lights. We just need to limit the speed more approaching that straight.
    Yes! Limit the speed before the brain stops and the right foot takes over.
    Mike C.
    CS
    2019 White MX-5
    TVR SCCA Region
    "No plan survives reality"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mpcavana View Post
      Yes! Limit the speed before the brain stops and the right foot takes over.
      lol.. brain stops nad right foot takes over..
      SM 44, :-(

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      • #4
        shoulda ran the course backwards.

        I've noticed a lot more courses starting at the bottom of the lot lately, I remember when I first started years ago in the volvo, there was maybe one event I saw where the start was on the bottom side. Going downhill in the sweeper is way more fun.
        M. Cholewa

        Because they heard I liked my name, so they put my name as my name so I could have my name in my name... all the time.

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        • #5
          Let me suggest a few shorter courses each year. More runs, design flexibility. (Let the abuse begin)
          Gramps

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          • #6
            I assure that is coming, Mike, lots of changes are coming
            Ervin Carder
            Wasabi Green Mazda2
            32 STF

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            • #7
              ....actually shorter courses do not give you more runs. The number of runs is determined by the start interval, the number of competitors, the length of the day, the number of reruns, and any timing delays.

              Long courses do require more corner workers than short courses though. So if you have a long course with marginal number of course workers, there will be delays as the workers chase cones.
              Charles
              TAC/TVR
              #72 SA rallyx Impreza 2.5 RS
              #74 "CSP" time trial Miata

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MWenning View Post
                Let me suggest a few shorter courses each year. More runs, design flexibility. (Let the abuse begin)
                Gramps
                Mike just wants a shorter course in hopes that he can remember the whole course and not get lost!(ducks and runs for cover)
                "I'm not as think as you slow I am"

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