2014 autocross season

[nicktcr]

Oh...you're conveniently assuming there was an even number of events...gotcha



That's just it Nick...no corners are being cut. Rules are rules, whether amateur or pro. Historically our rules have allowed drops, and having been around for just a few years I kinda know where this poll & discussion are going to end up...still having drops for 2014. Like I said...I don't care how it ends up as long as we are consistent throughout the season.

Historically we have had even number of events...we happen to have an odd number this year, but whatever.

If you don't care how it ends up, then quit playing devil's advocate for the other side I'm trying to get my way here!

[c-evoVIII]

I just wanna go fast

[HPEVOX]

I hope this didn't branch from my post in RAW championship. I was just saying it kills the chance of winning when you miss, not that I was complaining saying you should be able to drop. I was just stating a fact. Not that I could win even if I went to them all

I love you Nick..but I completely disagree with your "encourages people to skip an event". If someone is serious enough to pursue a class championship then very little will "encourage" them to miss an event. But, like you also said, life happens and folks have to miss from time to time. Having a couple of drops allows the serious folks to have the hope of remaining competitive for their championship even if extenuating circumstances forces them to miss an event or two.

Another reason I do not believe having drops encourages skipping an event is the realization if you miss an event then one of your championship competitors is likely going to win and pick up 10 points on you...closing or opening the gap versus you and make it even more essential that you make all the remaining events.

Another way to think about it is not having drops could encourage folks to skip even more events. Say you're intent on competing for a class championship yet "life happens" forcing you to miss two events mid-season. You could easily be mathematically eliminated at that point assuming your competitors show up for the remainder of the season. If that championship was your goal, what's the point of coming back for the rest of the year? For the record I think this illustration is just as ludicrous as the drops encouraging people to stay home

"Yearly championship points" is just that...a cumulative total of points calculated within the framework set forth at the start of the year. It might have drops or it might not...and I really don't care either way. All that really matters is that the framework is published before the competition season begins and does not change through the season.

Bravo. Bravo.

I have a girlfriend in college that only gets to graduate once in a lifetime. I can't tell her no I can't come because I have an autox. I personally like the idea of having a drop, but won't complain if there isn't any. It just defeats the purpose of competing for a championship when you have a career or family that takes up one Saturday that is far more important than an autox. The bold underlined portion above is exactly what I mean. Most agree we don't do this for a living. If not for our way of making a living, we couldn't do this anyways. So that is first priority. You can't expect someone to make every event a year. And if it's based on participation/attendance, the points shouldn't be as spread out at the top. You get half points for finishing 3 places behind a guy. Maybe 2 tenths of a second. I participated a lot more than Jordan Taylor(came to 1,one,uno event) and he was beating me until points 8..... My attendance was 700% in relation to him. See how attendance doesn't really add up there??? So if attendance is going to weigh in so much, point spread up top needs to be decreased between finishing positions IMO.


I won't complain, it's not that big of a deal. I was not complaining, griping in the RAW champ thread either. Just thinking man it sucks I missed one lol. I do this for fun and bragging rights. We spend a crap ton more money than you could possibly make in winnings. I spend the RAW championship winnings in gas money going to the events and coming home LOL. PAX money in routine maintenance. Don't even talk about 18" tires... goodbye moneysssss lol. A drop helps the spirits though and keeps the competition tighter and more fun.

Fact is everyone isn't going to be happy. Heck, I'm just trying to beat C and Sara and maybe give John, Darryl and Brandon some competition next year lol.

[HPEVOX]

I just wanna go fast

LOL... and one up me in everything I do in my life

[Cholewa]

Another way to think about it is not having drops could encourage folks to skip even more events. Say you're intent on competing for a class championship yet "life happens" forcing you to miss two events mid-season. You could easily be mathematically eliminated at that point assuming your competitors show up for the remainder of the season. If that championship was your goal, what's the point of coming back for the rest of the year? For the record I think this illustration is just as ludicrous as the drops encouraging people to stay home

This was what I was going to say.

Drops are good.

[rodhx]

This was what I was going to say.

Drops are good.

Uh oh Nick...Cholewa and I agree. That means we must be correct and this discussion is officially over. If you don't cease and desist we will be forced to come up with a special liberal Jew meets libertarian protestant punishment for you.

[bimmertech]

What if we did a "chase" points structure where only the last two events really counted but you have to have X number of points to compete? [/sarcasm]

[rodhx]

What if we did a "chase" points structure where only the last two events really counted but you have to have X number of points to compete? [/sarcasm]

I started to suggest something similar but I am so disinterested in NASCAR I couldn't even make fun of their points system appropriately.

[c-evoVIII]

LOL... and one up me in everything I do in my life

Thats how I roll

[TouringBubble]

What if there were 17 races instead of 10/11? What if we dropped 7 events? What if ...

It doesn't matter. The rules are the rules and people will plan for them as they see fit. Want to show up to all events and have the best chance at the most points, even with drops? Do it. Want to plan to miss an event because you can get away with it? Sure. Want to only show up for one event and let Heath think he's fast all season? Why not ...

As long as everyone knows the rules at the start and are all playing by the same rules, it doesn't matter. This is why F1, NASCAR, V8 Supercars, Grand-Am, etc all have different rule sets and points systems. They don't all have to match, and they all work. They are consistent within themselves and that's what matters.

And yes, I know I've been on the other side of this because I didn't read the supps ...

[nicktcr]

What if there were 17 races instead of 10/11? What if we dropped 7 events? What if ...

It doesn't matter. The rules are the rules and people will plan for them as they see fit. Want to show up to all events and have the best chance at the most points, even with drops? Do it. Want to plan to miss an event because you can get away with it? Sure. Want to only show up for one event and let Heath think he's fast all season? Why not ...

As long as everyone knows the rules at the start and are all playing by the same rules, it doesn't matter. This is why F1, NASCAR, V8 Supercars, Grand-Am, etc all have different rule sets and points systems. They don't all have to match, and they all work. They are consistent within themselves and that's what matters.

And yes, I know I've been on the other side of this because I didn't read the supps ...

Shut up, Matt. You probably don't even remember how to autocross.

[Cholewa]

No you

[rodhx]

Just to be clear regarding this poll... the folks who run in Tire class get 97.5% of a vote, right?

[HPEVOX]

Shut up, Matt. You probably don't even remember how to autocross.

$20 says I could put 2 full seconds on him....

[JohnW8]

What if we had a combined RAW Time championship be the championship for the season. Low combined time for the season wins. We have 10 events you come to the first event lay down the best time and then don't show up for the rest of the events. I'd buy stickers for that.


but wait.. then I wouldn't have fun with all my autocross buddies and enjoy the competition and smack talk.

We come to the events for the sport and stay for the people. A trophy at the end of the year is just icing on the cake. I like drops in case there's a conflicting event out of town that I may want to attend or a family thing. Plus, sometimes, and there are times, that you just don't feel like getting up at the crack of dawn to go stand in a parking lot and sweat your tail off. Drops are good to have.