Post points #1 2011

[tjboudreaux]

You guys did a great job considering all the hoop jumping you had to do! Let me know if I can help.

[TouringBubble]

I'll get them up today. With the computer issues we had in the am, I want to verify the files and membership data before posting.

Okay ... I completely forgot. Got tied up with finishing some work around the house. I will get them up ASAP. Sorry.

[AutoX Civic]

Points?

[TouringBubble]

Points?

I'm (this) close to throwing a computer at someone ... lol

[AutoX Civic]

Haha, take your time. lol

[Welacey]

How about posting unofficial results?

[JohnW8]

Did someone just hear the smash of glass as the SCCA computer got thrown through the window?

[TouringBubble]

Lol ... I forgot again. This is why I liked posting them on site. I know I have a habit of getting sidetracked and forgetting things. I'm really sorry everyone. Feel free to call me tonight and remind me in case I forget again. I'm serious ... I could use some help with this. Sorry again.

[Cholewa]

Did someone just hear the smash of glass as the SCCA computer got thrown through the window?

I used it once at home for like 10 minutes and was ready to toss it down the sewer. It takes about 5 minutes to boot up, and then another 5 to get to a point where you can actually use it.

Hopefully we'll get our comm port issues resolved and not have to use that computer anymore.

[claym]

Lol ... I forgot again. This is why I liked posting them on site. I know I have a habit of getting sidetracked and forgetting things. I'm really sorry everyone. Feel free to call me tonight and remind me in case I forget again. I'm serious ... I could use some help with this. Sorry again.

So if there are no results, was there actually an event?

[ZX3Focus]

So if there are no results, was there actually an event?

I believe a tree that falls in the forest DOES make a sound, so, yes.

[Cholewa]

I believe a tree that falls in the forest DOES make a sound, so, yes.

Sound is only a perceived thing, so if no one is there to transfer the air wave modulation into an electrical signal and then read that signal as sound, then it technically doesn't actually make a sound. It will create pressure waves, but if those aren't interpreted by something that can perceive sound, no "sound" is made.

[TouringBubble]

You're splitting hairs. By your definition nothing "makes" sound and therefore negates the entire question. If the question was posed scientifically ...

"If a tree falls in the forest and nothing is there to interpret sound waves, are the waves still produced?"

The answer would be yes.

But, to the original question ...

If drivers gather and knock over cones in Pelham and the results are not posted online ... does someone still show up and complain about Civic Center parking?

I think the answer is yes here as well.

[Cholewa]

You're splitting hairs. By your definition nothing "makes" sound and therefore negates the entire question. If the question was posed scientifically ...

"If a tree falls in the forest and nothing is there to interpret sound waves, are the waves still produced?"

The answer would be yes.

That's the thing though, "sound" waves are just pressure waves in the air. They require a specialized receptor to be picked up, interpreted, and then understood as a sound. So if nothing can change the pressure change into stimulus, there is no sound. We would consider it true as well if the tree made a sound that was far below our threshold to hear, we might feel a shake, but we wont hear anything, therefor no sound. Same with dog whistles. If there isn't an entity that can take in the stimuli, then it doesn't actually exist as a stimuli.

It's like surfing. Just because the waves are there doesn't mean it's surfing, you've got to have the person on the board. Then it's a sport. (that's a horrible analogy, but it totally works) If no one is there to surf it, it's just a wave.

[aufoxy]

This argument has turned into "what is the definition of the word 'sound'?" It can be solved by looking it up in the dictionary, unless there is discrepancy between dictionaries. As an aside, the number of things that have to happen for a person/animal to hear sound are really fascinating. It's a wonder hearing exists at all. Those pesky neural crest cells...