i want to rallyx... where does my car fall...

[draggbody]

so i have been building this car for a race that is for stockish cars at a rock crawling offroad park, anyways i like going fast and we have spent alot of time on preping this car to race and i happened upon this site and noticed the race coming up on june 5th... i have read the rules as far as classes go and im pretty sure that it falls in a PF category, because i do not have a factory style exhaust and i have strut bars that are integrated in the cage??? my car does not have any glass in it either... i didnt notice any rules that prohibit that, are there??? otherwise it is a bone stock 1990 civic w/ a 350k mile 1.5l engine that has been gutted to the max... i have the headlights and tail lights to go back in it if REQUIRED, where do i stand... i wanna race and i'll do whatever it takes...

[slowautoxr]

It'll probably help if you read the rules as things that you are allowed to change from a OEM factory built car. You'll definitely be in Modified as you're not allowed to gut the car in Prepared. You need a windshield of "Lexan or equivalent." You'll need a window net or arm restraints as well.

Looks like it should be a fun car.

[draggbody]

yeah it has window nets... but reading over those modified rules it puts me out... to much to change... oh well, i thought it would be fun... what would i need to put back in the car to make it legal.. does it have to just be stock appearing???

[dirtdog]

Put a front winded shield in and come on out and race, it's much more about the driver than the car.

dirtdog

[draggbody]

but it dont think it will pass tech... there are some differences in what they want in a cage, or do they look at a car and say, "its safe, go race"... i just want to race, i dont care about winning or losing, i just want to race, i'd love to come out on a practice day, anything... its a 2.5 hrs drive for me, i just dont want to get there and get turned around for some BS...

[dirtdog]

Read the rules starting with stock and progress to mod, if it states that you CAN, change something its OK, It's about classing similar prepped cars and safety. The car must be safe first, then fit in a class. From the picture front windshield, driver side net and harness or seat belts.

dirtdog

[draggbody]

ok so obviously i would have an M2 car... but these two statements seem to contradict each other... one states that it must have a IT cage or better and this states that it is recommended... i have no concerns w/ my cages structure, i just dont think that it meets there "language"... who can i let inspect my car to tell me if it flies or not???

e. Side and rear windows may be removed or replaced with Lexan or
equivalent. Windshield may be replaced with Lexan or equivalent
with addition of a full roll cage built to SCCA Improved Touring
specifications or better.


O. Roll cages are strongly recommended in all cars. If installed it is strongly
recommended that roll cages be constructed according to the rules for
stage rally competition used in other sanctioning bodies.

[dirtdog]

You can run in Mod without a roll cage. The windshield is left in or substituted with lexan. The drivers side glass must be left in or replace with lexan or use a window net.

dirtdog

[draggbody]

hell, im there... i'll get a windshield put in and i have my nets, harnesses, etc...

[slowautoxr]

"They" is us right here. So ask your questions here. We'll give you answers now. The same ones we'll give you on Saturday.

Your cage looks pretty substantial to me. I really wouldn't have a problem with an expanded metal (not chicken wire) windshield like they allow for the Buzz cars at the Huntsville Speedway. From the way I understand the rules, if you have a cage, you can replace the windshield with Lexan or equivalent. If you do not have a cage, you must have the stock windshield in place. From my understanding of the rule, the windshield provides strength to the roof structure in the event of a roll over. So if you remove the windshield, additional roof support must be added - hence the requirement for a cage.

[draggbody]

im not nit picking, but what is the point of a windshield... honestly seems safer w/o it, i mean in a roll over there is shards of glass, otherwise it seems to be a convenience... i really am digging rally in general and i just want to learn all that i can... i guess you would say i am at the top of my game in my world of rock crawling, and i just want to bring what i can to this sport... here are my other two rigs... the gray one has a 454 in it and my daughters rig, she's 9, has a D16 in it...

[draggbody]

"They" is us right here. So ask your questions here. We'll give you answers now. The same ones we'll give you on Saturday.

thanks, this is what i needed

what other classes are available to race in??? my cage has floor plates on the main hoop and A pillars, but the rear down bars are only tied into the strut towers, is this a problem... i did it this away because it is reinforced from the factory in these areas... my engine is bone stock, does this give me any handicap??? do i need a muffler??? my suspension is stock w/ the exception of a rear lower trailing arms, is this a problem, they bolt into stock location... i have NO lights whatso ever, is this a problem???

[bmwe21]

just my 2 cents, the way I read the rules are , if you have a stock windsheild (safety glass) a cage is not required to run mod. but if you use Lexan ,you must use a rollcage.
I think the purpose of requiring a factory windsheild on a newer unibodyed car is that it gives the body strength and rigidity in a roll over , because they are usually glued in.

and just to clarify (you may know this) RallyCross is not really a speed event, no wheel to wheel racing , no jumps ect., basicly a autocross / slalom on dirt.

[slowautoxr]

RallyCross is divided between Stock, Prepared, and Modified and then subdivided by front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, and 4 wheel drive - except for Modified which combines front and rear wheel drive. To me Prepared is a small step from stock. You can modify/replace/change some things but not very many. Modified is a huge step from Prepared. Your car as it sits now is clearly in Modified. You're not to the limit of Modified but you're definitely beyond the limits of Prepared. So your class will be M2.

Your cage. The rule book was written without specifically telling us what makes one cage better than another cage. I see gussets in the corners of the front hoop. I know gussets reinforce corners. It seems logical that you'd want to tie your cage into the best parts of a vehicle.

Bone stock engine. The rules allow you to modify your engine. You don't have to though.

Muffler. No muffler required.

Suspension. The rules allow you to modify your suspension. You don't have to though.

Lights. Not required - unless we rallycross in the dark. We currently don't have a night event scheduled.

One thing worth mentioning is your helmet. Since you've found the rules, look at 6.3.P. If yours does not meet those requirements, we have loaner helmets.

If you're on street tires, you'll want to air them up to at least 40#.

[slowautoxr]

Rock crawlers are cool. My club (TAC/TVR) had done timing for the KOTH event for the Rocket City Rock Crawlers club.