SCCA at Barber

[JohnW8]

Would the SRFs be insulted if they were asked to add go-kart flags for visibility? ;-)

Yes they would. I asked about that last year. They weren't amused.

[JohnW8]

John, the only time it is a rehash is when the schedule requires it. Your car sits low enough so you can see them, most sedans cannot.

I didn't particularly enjoy sharing a track with them but I gave them a wide berth and they still side to suck doors off my car with side drafting. Not cool. The fast ones were gone in a hurry, the mid packers were losing it at corner entry and spinning out at midcorner. I passed 2 while they were spinning. Not cool. The grouping, I'm told, is a necessity due to comparable lap times but I really think they would be more at home with the wings n things.

[chuck schultz]

My understanding that the grouping is based on weight, as much as speed potential. An SRF weighs almost 1700 pounds.

Several different ITC/ITB cars weigh about the same as an SRF - Spridgets, Spitfires, Suzuki Swifts, some Hondas, and Yugos, for instance.

Formula and sports racing cars have a lot more to lose if they have a run-in with an SRF - F5 weighs 850, FV weighs 1025, FF is about 882, DSR is 1000 or less. Even FA and CSR are 400 or more pounds lighter.

[FVee90]

Raises hand cause I almost got put into wall at Roebling Road by a SRF. SRF driver uses "I didn't see you excuse"......this FV driver shows the line down the SRF from where my front hub made a nice new pin stripe by removing his paint.
SRF's are the devil!

[Chuck Baader]

So, if based by weight, you want to put a 1700# car with the IT group with cars weighing between 1900# and 3000#!!!

[FVee90]

SRF's are built like a tank - so what type of car has a better chance of surviving - not a Formula Car.

[chuck schultz]

Sprite - 1615 lbs. - ITC
Midget - 1615 lbs. - ITC
Civic 1.2 - 1710 lbs. - ITC
Bobby B's Swooft - 1735 lbs. - ITB
Spitfire - 1750 lbs. - ITC
SRF - 1670 lbs. - seems to fit right in, and probably faster than most of the above.

If the SRF drivers are erratic, bring a bunch of your most-reliable and observant friends to help work corners, get them to report all the bad moves, and work through the system with the event Stewards to have the behavior corrected. It's a lot saner grouping than the enduro group I've seen a certain other race organization run on a regular basis in the Southeast, with Radicals, Ford GTs, Miatas, and BMWs in the same race.

[Chuck Baader]

Ah, yes. The voice of reason...and the reason ALL other regions in the SEDIV run that way. How many entrants can we afford to chase off because of pairings?

[chuck schultz]

Ah, yes. The voice of reason...and the reason ALL other regions in the SEDIV run that way. How many entrants can we afford to chase off because of pairings?

This thread has gotten a little fragmented.

I'm not sure who you're disagreeing with, or which comment you say is from the "voice of reason."

Also, are you saying that our race will have the same groupings that have been used elsewhere, in SEDiv, and you don't like it, or are we atypical?

[zukitek]

This thread has gotten a little fragmented.

I'm not sure who you're disagreeing with, or which comment you say is from the "voice of reason."

Also, are you saying that our race will have the same groupings that have been used elsewhere, in SEDiv, and you don't like it, or are we atypical?

What Chuck S said is the same thing I wonder. I realize most of this is chit chat that is continued from the other forum discussions and sandboxers and such. The truth of the matter seems to be that SRFs entrys have dropped to the point that it doesnt make sense for Sediv regions to run them by themselves. They deserve to race like the rest of us and its up to the event organizers to make a sensible decision to make lemonade out of lemons without exposing their regions and the racers to undue risk.

Chuck B....you know as well as the rest of us how this process works . Where would you put them? And how would you start them?

I aint calling you out or provoking you ...just saying ...what would you think needed done here if you had to take the before and after of the whole thing.

[zukitek]

i will ask again and this time Id like an event chair or the registrar maybe to answer.

If I pre register for the labor day weekend time trial via MSR ...will my credit card be charged pre or post event? I dont really care one way or the other but if its pre event then I need to deposit money...if not then I got time but I need to know definitively.

[JohnW8]

I'm not the event chair or registrar but MSR doensn't charge until after the event. I get a nice email after the event is over to let me know the charge was done.

[Chuck Baader]

Was agreeing with Chuck, as the voice of reason because the weights in that group are so close to the SRFs. Since they will likely be faster that others in this group, let them start first.

We are atypical...I probably race more than any other racer in our region, and this is the only time I can remember being grouped with the SRFs in a SCCA race. Other regions don't do it, and I think we should not either.

[kilgojr]

i will ask again and this time Id like an event chair or the registrar maybe to answer.

If I pre register for the labor day weekend time trial via MSR ...will my credit card be charged pre or post event? I dont really care one way or the other but if its pre event then I need to deposit money...if not then I got time but I need to know definitively.

Ricky,

just want to confirm for you.....as per the Supplemental Regulations....see 1. Entry Forms and Fees and then look at the second to last sentence. It states that Entry Fees will not be processed until after the event.

[zukitek]

thanks guys for teh confirmation. I can register without worry of a surprise .